If Musk wants to ensure that humanity survives why doesn't he start with using some of his wealth to help bring about the end of the war in Ukraine. Now the Russians no longer have access to Starlink, but he could do so much more. Recognise Russia as the aggressor and promote this within the US administration where he has an intro. He talks about ending poverty. It is quite possible and well within the earths current economic capacity to already bring about the end of poverty. Poverty continues on earth because it suits the playbook of various dictators and their regimes. Keep the people down and hungry.
In Das Kapital, Marx never mentions communism; only a "Workers Paradise" where automation was doing all the work and people were free to do as they wish.
Is it finally coming to pass? Will everyone not want to work?
That is doubtful. Just as there are lap dogs that are fat, dumb and happy when not yapping at a perceived threat, there are work dogs that will suffer if not doing whats in their blood, e.g. hunt, herd, attack.
So what percent of the population will continue "making" (as meant by the German "macher")? What percent will basically eat, sleep, and party? Will it be a two class society? Or perhaps three since a celebrity class will be needed to give the majority of people something to text/post about.
The "machers" will probably be a minority...perhaps 15% to 20%.
Will they need to have their right to work protected?
What if their chosen activity is of the aggressive sort? One can imagine that prisons will be a constant.
Will education be a constant? Will people still want to learn if "all" the learning has been done?
Ancient Rome had "robots" too and most citizens were without want. There was plenty of bread and circuses. How did that end up?
How will humanity carry on and/or survive when such basic motives as working for survival, achievement, or dominance are no longer meaningful? What will the goals of parenting be? I am reminded of an old episode from The Outer Limits (I think, maybe The Twilight Zone) where a gangster has died and gone on to his afterlife. In this existence he always wins, always succeeds, always dominates. He comments how wonderful it is to be in Heaven. The reply he receives is "This isn't Heaven, this is Hell."
True that...and if people are fat, dumb, and happy will there be charity and comfort for others? Was it Star Trek or the4 60's era Time Machine movie where a paradise world where people are hanging out and contemplating...and non plussed when one of them falls in a creek and drowns without anyone reaching out. That lack of sentiment is actually happening in China right now.
I agree w/Musk. It is sometimes hard taking his personality out of the picture and focusing on his vision and accomplishments. Musk will be the most important figure in the future of humanity
Good grief! Diane has drunk the Kool-Aid. Data centres in space are indeed an interesting idea, but how could any serious observer believe that Musk has some kind of civilizational mission?! We are talking about the Elon Musk who destroyed USAid, right? The same Musk who, in January of this year - according to a Guardian analysis - posted about “how the white race was under threat, made allusions to race science or promoted anti-immigrant conspiracy content on 26 out of 31 days”.
If Musk wants to ensure that humanity survives why doesn't he start with using some of his wealth to help bring about the end of the war in Ukraine. Now the Russians no longer have access to Starlink, but he could do so much more. Recognise Russia as the aggressor and promote this within the US administration where he has an intro. He talks about ending poverty. It is quite possible and well within the earths current economic capacity to already bring about the end of poverty. Poverty continues on earth because it suits the playbook of various dictators and their regimes. Keep the people down and hungry.
In Das Kapital, Marx never mentions communism; only a "Workers Paradise" where automation was doing all the work and people were free to do as they wish.
Is it finally coming to pass? Will everyone not want to work?
That is doubtful. Just as there are lap dogs that are fat, dumb and happy when not yapping at a perceived threat, there are work dogs that will suffer if not doing whats in their blood, e.g. hunt, herd, attack.
So what percent of the population will continue "making" (as meant by the German "macher")? What percent will basically eat, sleep, and party? Will it be a two class society? Or perhaps three since a celebrity class will be needed to give the majority of people something to text/post about.
The "machers" will probably be a minority...perhaps 15% to 20%.
Will they need to have their right to work protected?
What if their chosen activity is of the aggressive sort? One can imagine that prisons will be a constant.
Will education be a constant? Will people still want to learn if "all" the learning has been done?
Ancient Rome had "robots" too and most citizens were without want. There was plenty of bread and circuses. How did that end up?
How will humanity carry on and/or survive when such basic motives as working for survival, achievement, or dominance are no longer meaningful? What will the goals of parenting be? I am reminded of an old episode from The Outer Limits (I think, maybe The Twilight Zone) where a gangster has died and gone on to his afterlife. In this existence he always wins, always succeeds, always dominates. He comments how wonderful it is to be in Heaven. The reply he receives is "This isn't Heaven, this is Hell."
True that...and if people are fat, dumb, and happy will there be charity and comfort for others? Was it Star Trek or the4 60's era Time Machine movie where a paradise world where people are hanging out and contemplating...and non plussed when one of them falls in a creek and drowns without anyone reaching out. That lack of sentiment is actually happening in China right now.
I agree w/Musk. It is sometimes hard taking his personality out of the picture and focusing on his vision and accomplishments. Musk will be the most important figure in the future of humanity
Mankind’s “progress” on Earth has been approaching the tipping point for some time now.
But to paraphrase George Carlin; How can mankind be so arrogant as to think we will destroy the Earth?
We will just alter the Earth’s ability to support mankind.
The Earth will carry on just fine, in the absence of mankind.
Musk’s vision for mankind to become interplanetary is laughable.
Just to be clear; Musk’s vision is not to save mankind. His vision is to go where no man has gone before in creating an obscene amount of wealth.
I have no doubt that SpaceX will take him there.
Do you know how to spell DOGE?
Sequitor?
We can assess a person or actions based on previous, observed behavior and outcomes. So one should use this metric to assess other proposals.
Good grief! Diane has drunk the Kool-Aid. Data centres in space are indeed an interesting idea, but how could any serious observer believe that Musk has some kind of civilizational mission?! We are talking about the Elon Musk who destroyed USAid, right? The same Musk who, in January of this year - according to a Guardian analysis - posted about “how the white race was under threat, made allusions to race science or promoted anti-immigrant conspiracy content on 26 out of 31 days”.
Diane, kindly get a grip!